Edward Fenner on Mature Students

Mature students offer a great deal to the post-secondary institutions (PSIs) they attend. They tend to be strong, highly- focused students who ask intelligent questions and provide intelligent answers. They cause little grief to instructors, professors and staff. They do their assigned work, and tend not to ditch class for other activities. They just do not have the time to waste. Most are on a mission and are paying their own way while juggling myriad responsibilities (work, spouses, children, aging parents, bills) younger students are less entangled with while studying.

So what are PSIs offering back to these adult learners? It depends on the institution, where mature student services range from next-to-nothing to specially-designed degree programs and tailored offerings. Geographically speaking, adult learners face either good or bad fortune. If they live in a community with only one college or university whose courses come without special services or consideration for mature students – or are pulling back continuing education programs (as Trent University recently announced) – you are out of luck. Move, commute, or find an online program.

However, if you live in Calgary, for instance, you have the option of attending Weekend University.

uCalgary Weekend University

There, you can earn any of several degrees strictly by studying outside mainstream hours – a key desire of the average mature student. Many, if not most, PSIs offer classes in the evenings or on weekends. A number offer degrees, certificates, and diplomas exclusive to those hours, but not nearly enough of them offer the flexibility that adult learners desire – and desire for good reason. It comes back to time management. There never seems to be enough hours in the day to get things done. Now picture the prospective mature student looking to start or finish a degree or certificate needed to further their career. Your institution offers such a program that fits perfectly, except only during daytime hours. Your prospect is only able to attend at night because of a day job that cannot (or will not) allow time off for daytime studying. You just lost that student to a more accommodating competitor.

Then there are services problems. Say you can offer that prospective adult learner what they are looking for. Great, right? Maybe not. Bureaucracy now stands in the way. The student needs to get some things done on campus. They have to meet someone, sign some documents, or attend to other business in person, but the offices are open only from 9 to 5 – the exact same timeline as the mature student’s day job. Faced with the inability to take time off work without burning a sick day or vacation day (if they can tap into it, or if they even have such a benefit), the student becomes frustrated by inflexible processes. They want to book off hours for an appointment, but no services or persons are available off-hours. More frustration. Your school wants this adult learner, but is not realizing the different needs the mature student faces from Day One.

Let’s say your institution does not have these issues. You offer evening and weekend courses and basic services. Your mature students are attending classes, but now need other amenities. Are your advisors and counsellors aware of issues and problems unique to older students? Is there a quiet place for them to study, free of cell phones, yakkers, and other distractions? Is your student council or union providing any events, services, or entertainments for mature students? (They pay their fees, too.) Is there a club or other social group for adult learners to help foster community and develop peer mentoring? What is your school doing for your mature students? Do you really know how many you have? The answer may surprise you.

These are common issues mature students face every day. I know, I’m one of them. Over the coming months, this blog will address these concerns in greater detail and, I hope, provoke a national dialogue on how to improve services for this valuable and unique group of engaging students. I will tell you not only about my experiences as a mature student at York University, but also those of the students I represented in my role as a mature student leader and advocate – and how York has addressed (and embraced) this demographic. I will explore what other PSIs are doing – or not doing – for adults learners as they embark on their voyage of self-improvement.

I invite readers to post comments on my blog and suggest areas of discussion for future entries. I especially encourage readers to post comments and links regarding their own school’s mature students and services provided to them. I want to know what’s really going on and how readers really feel about the issues affecting this group.

Cheers,

Edward

Edward Fenner is a mature student studying at York University. In 2004, he enrolled in the professional writing program in order to get a BA (Hons.) – after a career as an editor, writer, and publisher in the corporate sector for over 20 years. That same year, he founded YUMSO (York University Mature Students Organization) as an advocacy and social group. It was a runaway success and influential in raising the profile of mature students at York and in affecting policy changes. YUMSO has over 600 opt-in members to their e-newsletter, a website, a facebook site, and an office at Vanier College.

Edward volunteered over 1,500 hours in 4 years to his peers at York and was awarded the 2007 Deborah Hobson Award for Student Leadership by the university. As a student, Edward also revived York’s arts and literary journal Existere, where he volunteers as a student mentor. YorkU magazine made Edward its cover story in April 2008.

Edward now works at York in the Office of the Associate Vice-president International where he helps with various communications and edits e-MAGINED (The Canadian e-Magazine for International Education).

E-mail: efenner@yorku.ca

Website: http://www3.sympatico.ca/edwardfenner/

Copyright (c) 2008 Edward Fenner

Hello Edward, I am so glad

Hello Edward,

I am so glad that you have taken up this cause to blog for your fellow mature student. More stuff like this needs to be done on our behalf and as per usual, you are trailing the was you did at York. Congrats on this gig and I look forward to reading more of your blogs.

Susan
Fellow Mature Student (wink, wink)

I'm glad to continue blazing

I'm glad to continue blazing trails and communicating with fellow mature students and those interested in their academic experiences. Given the shifting nature of the North American economy I suspect more adults will be returning to school for all manner of education and re-training needs. Stay tuned and thanks for your support Susan!

Edward

Hello Edward I was sent this

Hello Edward

I was sent this link by a friend in out Continuing Education Department. I completely agree with you that Mature Students require specific services that the more traditional student does not. I am currently the secretary of our Mature Student Association at Lakehead University. I am continually asking for a space to be granted as a quiet work area or social gathering space for our Mature Students. It is hard work trying to get people to understand that Mature Students require unique resources, but the fight goes on. Thank you for creating this. It has given me hope that we are not alone in this world. Please feel free to e-mail me with any suggestions or questions that you may have.

Thank You

Tina

Hello Tina. Keep up the good

Hello Tina. Keep up the good work and press on. Mature students have different needs than the younger students. Get conspicuous. Start a petition. Do the networking thing. It's all cumulative and things will happen. As you know a small space will do. See if there is a club or other room that you can timeshare with. Some ideas might be an alumni group that has a dedicated room that meets only once a month. A resource library that is infrequently used, but has good space. Adult learners tend to be very responsible and keep the place the occupy clean and in good order. If you'd like to chat come more, send me an e-mail.

Best of luck and never surrender,

Edward

Hello Edward! How wonderful

Hello Edward! How wonderful it was to find your blog and see how other mature students are dealing with the issues raised when pursuing an education. I sit on the Executive of the Athabasca University Student Union and am quite familiar with many of the issues you raise. As a distance education PSI Athabasca University offers a tremendous degree of flexibility and has attracted a large number of mature students because of it. However, mature students still need funding that reflects their greater responsibilities. Often mature students finish school with huge debts that can drag them down for years, and others find that lifetime loans caps are insufficient to permit them to finish school. It's tough enough going back to school after many years; the loans system just adds to the difficulties. Best of luck with the blog! Barbara Rielly VPExternal, Athabasca University Student Union

Hello Barbara. Distance

Hello Barbara. Distance education is certainly an option for many mature students. Like those who attend on-site, cost add up and our options are few. Debt is debt, but it would be nice if governments gave us a break as well. We may or may not have assets to use as collateral, but what does that matter anyway? Adult learners going back to school could use the same financing opportunities as the younger students.

It's nice to see a mature student in the senior ranks of a student union or council. No many adult learners take that bold step and I wish more would. After all, our tuition money is as good and as important as anyone else's money. It would be good if some of the events programming and so forth would be geared to those whose tastes and maturity are quite different from the masses.

Thank you for your support and encouragement. The new blog will be out in a few days. Keep up the good work for your students.

Edward

admiration.

We(all the mature students) admire your work, what you've done on behalf of us.And this is completely all on our profit. Thank you for being so helpful and being there when we needed you.That is why we all appreciate what you've done, by heart.This is a senior alert to the juniors.They shall also take it seriously and get to their work on time before its too late. I hope to hear more from you edward.

Hi there!

Hi Edward, I just came across this site and I'm very happy to see that there is someone out there attempting to take care of the mature student. I am about as 'mature' as they get - a senior who has been enrolled at York University since 2002. I have six courses(including the one I'm taking this year!) to go before I graduate. I'm told I have to do that by 2016. Gosh, I hope I don't expire before then - no presssure!!!! Since York amalgamated AK into a faculty of AP, my concentration in families and genders does not exist anymore, so I'm having difficulty getting the correct courses and also ones NOT during my working hours of 9-5pm. I am still working full-time and caring for my elderly mom in my home. If I did not have the support of my husband (who obtained his Master's many moons ago!)I would not be pursuing my dream today. I was literally lost until the Degree Progress Report came out and it has been a wonderful tool for me. York U is a super facility in which to learn and I have had wonderful professors - so far I've maintained an honours average and was asked to join the Golden Key International Honour Society where I am the Alumni Director. That was a special moment for me! Getting my degree handed to me will be the next most special moment of my life!! All the best. You are doing a fine service to us all. Take care, Marilyn :)

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